“I’ve never voted ‘right-winger.’”

Yea, your website certainly paints you as the typical bed-wetting liberal…give me a break…

So if I am not a “bed wetting liberal” by your standards, then I therefore have to be a “right winger”? Is that what you are saying?

What is up with you and all the name calling, anyways?

Yea, your website certainly paints you as the typical bed-wetting liberal…give me a break…

Actual facts? HELLO? The actual facts have been presented on both sides, yet you refuse to acknowledge any of the opposing.

Sorry you “pansy-liberal” (since we are making generalized assumptions and hasty generalizations).

Yea, I’m sure that these imagninary women all thought that your words:
-”There are no women in the NFL, MLB, NBA are they sexist as well?”
-”Why is it women can spend hour after in a mall doing nothing but looking, but get bored silly at a football game?”
were NOT sexist…give me a break. As if there aren’t ANY women playing professional basketball…ever hear of the WNBA? I’m sure they’d be willing to school you in the art of playing basketball sometime “DJ”…lol… Also, as if there aren’t any women anywhere that have played football or that thoroughly enjoy watching football games. I went to a major university that was known for, among many things, having a great football team, and there were plenty of women in the stands. There have been plenty of women in my family that have enjoyed watching football, and I’ve dated quite a few women that liked to watch and go to football games.

You are a sexist “DJ” because you have continued to promote attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender, period end of story. Now do yourself a favor and deal with it instead of continuing to be in *massive* denial.

What you would apparently like is management to be able to reward “true experience” or “personal excellence” without just “rewarding” longevity. Of course, I haven’t seen or heard of a system yet that is really able to do that FAIRLY, which is a concept that I’m sure you’re not familiar with.

You, as is unfortunately typical of some “conservatives” in this country, do not repsond to FACTS…you are motivated only by blind ideology. That’s YOUR problem…not mine.

“I am not management, I am wrench bending, blue collar, non-union, hourly worker.”

…who favors the positions of management over positions that would assist his fellow workers. I know plenty of people like you “DJ”…you are working vehemently against your own interests and you really don’t even know it…THAT’s what’s sad!

They were all real live working women, NON-Union successful blue collar women, typical though, you throw out a challenge “If you want to know why your comments are blatantly sexist, read them to the nearest woman…lol…” a conservative accepts it, acts on it provides feedback and you all can’t accept the results!

Nothing provided by myself or NYD is sexist in ANY sense of the word (excepting of course YOUR opinion, which is merely that-an opinion, a non-factual, unsupported utterance of no value to anyone except YOU.)

“LOL…you said “SOME experience is gained through longevity”. I say again…how else does one gain real, tangible experience other than through longevity?? I realize, and have stated previously, that not all people continually excel in their jobs the longer that they do them, but to imply that longevity is not something at that should be valued is just ridiculous.”

Yet again, you fail to grasp the essence of the discussion. I never claimed longevity does not nor cannot lead to experience, I stated longevity and experience are 2 separate areas of measurement, taking your position which seems to be “he who has been there the longest, has the most experience” is a silly statement. I have provided an example, and you choose to ignore it, so be it. I was of the impression that you were interested in debating a topic, evidently you are not, you have provided no evidence for your “claims”of sexism, you cannot articulate an honest argument for either sexism, or why unions are great, you have been unable to do anything more than spout leftist talking points-none of which are honest-and you obviously have no concept of personal excellence and the benefits personal excellence and the desire to make ones self better mean to the business world, it is sad to say the least.

I will monitor this thread until NYD archives it, and should you manage to respond with any fact that can support your opinions, I will be more than happy to respond.

Lastly, sir, I am not management, I am wrench bending, blue collar, non-union, hourly worker.

LOL…you said “SOME experience is gained through longevity”. I say again…how else does one gain real, tangible experience other than through longevity?? I realize, and have stated previously, that not all people continually excel in their jobs the longer that they do them, but to imply that longevity is not something at that should be valued is just ridiculous.

People are hired to do jobs, and if they do their jobs, they get paid…if not, they probably get fired. I’m sure you and your buddies in management would LOVE to pay someone LESS over time for doing the same job (by either cutting their pay outright or just by letting inflation do the work for you), but, of course, this isn’t really, fundamentally FAIR, which is something that unions are great at fighting against.

The idea that unions don’t encourage people to excel in their jobs is also a silly argument on the face of it. Unions are pro-worker, and it is in the worker’s best interest to be as good at their job as they can be.

“I have discussed this thread and the comments contained with several women, NONE deem anything within here as sexist.”

Really now…were these women that used to be men or were these real, live women with any self-respect for themselves?? Give me a break…

I never implied experience doesn’t come with longevity Mr.Guy, I stated “experience does not EQUAL longevity” It is a choice to learn a job skill and it is a separate choice to advance your knowledge and skill sets within your chosen profession. Being hired by a company or small business and in 10 years doing nothing but the bare minimum each day, not improving yourself or the company, is not worthy or a pay raise, another worker in the same area who has been with the company or small business for 5 years and has improved his knowledge in the field, has increased his production and has improved the companies bottom line is deserving of a raise.

In both examples above, the “union” rewards both employees the same, there is NO BENEFIT in the person in the second example to continue to improve himself-why would he? The union has again shown its true intentions, to stifle production and reward those who do it.

The idea that longevity equates to experience is a silly argument on the face of it, period.

Lastly, sir, I am still waiting for the examples (read proof not your opinion) of what myself or NYD have stated that is sexist…oh and I have discussed this thread and the comments contained with several women, NONE deem anything within here as sexist.