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		<title>By: Dodgeblogium &#187; Dodgey Carnival of the Libertarians</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/hoist-by-the-green-petard/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator>Dodgeblogium &#187; Dodgey Carnival of the Libertarians</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 23:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents Alternative Energy and the Law of Unintended Consequences posted at Government is not your Daddy., saying, &#8220;The environmentalist lobby has been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sjaak</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/hoist-by-the-green-petard/#comment-1030</link>
		<dc:creator>Sjaak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Energy has an reaction on the inviroment. If we use Fossil fuels it has a &quot;karma&quot; of &quot;carbon&quot;. The best is to use the sun (solar)= our main source of energy.
Then there are the magnetic fields. Or energy from h2o.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Energy has an reaction on the inviroment. If we use Fossil fuels it has a &#8220;karma&#8221; of &#8220;carbon&#8221;. The best is to use the sun (solar)= our main source of energy.<br />
Then there are the magnetic fields. Or energy from h2o.</p>
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		<title>By: This is not my country: The &#8217;spring is in the air&#8217; edition &#124; hell's handmaiden</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/hoist-by-the-green-petard/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>This is not my country: The &#8217;spring is in the air&#8217; edition &#124; hell's handmaiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] presents Alternative Energy and the Law of Unintended Consequences posted at Government is not your Daddy., saying, &#8220;Biofuels were supposed to be the ultimate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NotYourDaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotYourDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why thank you, Jonas, for such an intelligent, well-thought out comment, set forth with impeccable logic and substantiated by statistical data. 

And it&#039;s almost grammatical, too!  (I guess that&#039;s pretty good for a lefty.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why thank you, Jonas, for such an intelligent, well-thought out comment, set forth with impeccable logic and substantiated by statistical data. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s almost grammatical, too!  (I guess that&#8217;s pretty good for a lefty.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/hoist-by-the-green-petard/#comment-875</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post is pure right wing drivel: blame everything on some strawman liberal environmentalist, which means everyone who isn&#039;t a ignorant right wing partisan hack like you. I&#039;m sorry, your post is trash. The people pushing ethanol are ADM and other agri-businesses and ethanol refiners, but why let facts get into the way of your commone as muck stupid con rant. There is hardly an environmentalist consensus, unless you are just another robot who deals with abstract beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is pure right wing drivel: blame everything on some strawman liberal environmentalist, which means everyone who isn&#8217;t a ignorant right wing partisan hack like you. I&#8217;m sorry, your post is trash. The people pushing ethanol are ADM and other agri-businesses and ethanol refiners, but why let facts get into the way of your commone as muck stupid con rant. There is hardly an environmentalist consensus, unless you are just another robot who deals with abstract beings.</p>
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		<title>By: NotYourDaddy</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/hoist-by-the-green-petard/#comment-838</link>
		<dc:creator>NotYourDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Ike. I think it&#039;s great that other sources than corn are going to be used increasingly for biofuels. I recently read that biofuels can be made from algae. That&#039;s wonderful, and I fully support it.

But, today, most ethanol is still coming from corn, and it&#039;s driving up corn prices and causing farmers to divert their resources to corn from other crops, and the prices of many other foods are rising because of it. 

All of the sources I used for this post were published within a week of my writing it. It was all the current news that inspired me to write about it. So, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s so much that my information is out of date, as that yours is still in the future. Hopefully, the very near future. 

Your FACT about ethanol delivering one third more energy than it consumes to produce it is totally consistent with what I wrote in my post. But that&#039;s still a very small amount of energy for the cost and effort required to produce it - not just the energy cost, but the costs of processing it and the social and environmental costs it incurs.

I hope biofuels will be a viable energy source in the future, and I&#039;m disappointed to hear you say they aren&#039;t intended to be a long term solution, but only a stop gap. My main point is that we jumped the gun on this, and leapt to massive ethanol production from corn before we figured out the &lt;i&gt;right &lt;/i&gt;way to do it, and the result has been disastrous. My other point was that the reason we did that was because of pressure from the environmental lobby. But they cannot be held accountable for the consequences, becaues they&#039;re supposed to be the &quot;good guys.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Ike. I think it&#8217;s great that other sources than corn are going to be used increasingly for biofuels. I recently read that biofuels can be made from algae. That&#8217;s wonderful, and I fully support it.</p>
<p>But, today, most ethanol is still coming from corn, and it&#8217;s driving up corn prices and causing farmers to divert their resources to corn from other crops, and the prices of many other foods are rising because of it. </p>
<p>All of the sources I used for this post were published within a week of my writing it. It was all the current news that inspired me to write about it. So, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s so much that my information is out of date, as that yours is still in the future. Hopefully, the very near future. </p>
<p>Your FACT about ethanol delivering one third more energy than it consumes to produce it is totally consistent with what I wrote in my post. But that&#8217;s still a very small amount of energy for the cost and effort required to produce it &#8211; not just the energy cost, but the costs of processing it and the social and environmental costs it incurs.</p>
<p>I hope biofuels will be a viable energy source in the future, and I&#8217;m disappointed to hear you say they aren&#8217;t intended to be a long term solution, but only a stop gap. My main point is that we jumped the gun on this, and leapt to massive ethanol production from corn before we figured out the <i>right </i>way to do it, and the result has been disastrous. My other point was that the reason we did that was because of pressure from the environmental lobby. But they cannot be held accountable for the consequences, becaues they&#8217;re supposed to be the &#8220;good guys.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ikewasright</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/hoist-by-the-green-petard/#comment-837</link>
		<dc:creator>ikewasright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The information you leaned on to craft this fantasy is about 18-36 months too old. Visit http://www.nrel.gov/ or http://www.eere.energy.gov/ and learn more about the biofuels that are being extracted from biomass - think every part of the corn plant EXCEPT the corn, plus agricultural waste from virtually every type   of plant production.


MYTH: Ethanol cannot be produced from corn in large enough quantities to make a real difference without disrupting food and feed supplies. 
FACT: Corn is only one source of biofuel. In the future, a significant amount of ethanol will be made from more abundant biomass sources. 
Future ethanol will also be produced from cellulose found in crop residues (stalks, hulls), forestry residues (forest thinning, wood byproducts), energy crops (switchgrass), and sorted municipal wastes. Some promising energy crops grow on marginal soils not suited for traditional agriculture. The ethanol production process produces not only fuel but valuable livestock feed products (distiller&#039;s grain with solubles or DGS). 
A joint study by the U.S. Departments of Energy and Agriculture found that we can grow adequate biomass feedstocks to displace approximately 30% of curent gasoline consumption on a sustainable basis. This 
Billion Ton Study determined that 1.3 billion tons of U.S. biomass feedstock are potentially available for the production of biofuels. 

MYTH: More energy goes into producing ethanol than it delivers as a fuel. 
FACT: Each gallon of corn ethanol today delivers one third or more energy than is used to produce it. Over the last two decades, the amount of energy needed 
to produce corn ethanol has decreased because of improved farming techniques, more efficient use of fertilizers and pesticides, higher-yielding crops, and advances in conversion technology. Today, ethanol has a positive energy balance. That is, the energy content of corn ethanol is greater than the energy used to produce it. In the future, most ethanol will come from cellulosic ethanol, which delivers four to six times more energy than is needed in its production. 

MYTH: When it comes to environmental emissions, ethanol is the same as gasoline or worse. 
FACT: Ethanol results in fewer greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions than gasoline and is fully biodegradable, unlike some additives. On a life cycle basis, cellulosic ethanol has the potential to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 86%. Ethanol readily biodegrades without harm to the environment, and is a safe, high-performance replacement for toxic fuel additives such as MTB 
possible carcinogen. The use of ethanol can increase tailpipe emissions of some air pollutants but others are significantly reduced. 

Future biofuels will be made from a wide range of hardy and fast-growing plants, such as switchgrass--which is a perennial native to all American prairies. Switchgrass requires just a quarter of the irrigation and fertilization devoted to other crops and offers an estimated net energy values of up to
of 343%. 

Biofuel production was never intended as a long-term replacement for hydrocarbon-based fuels, but rather as a stop-gap measure to buy time while we can drive up the efficiencies of other non-polluting energy options; solar, wind, wave/current, geothermal, etc. Biofuels, even in the short-term, will create American jobs while reducing American dependence of fossil fuels and saving American lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The information you leaned on to craft this fantasy is about 18-36 months too old. Visit <a href="http://www.nrel.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrel.gov/</a> or <a href="http://www.eere.energy.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eere.energy.gov/</a> and learn more about the biofuels that are being extracted from biomass &#8211; think every part of the corn plant EXCEPT the corn, plus agricultural waste from virtually every type   of plant production.</p>
<p>MYTH: Ethanol cannot be produced from corn in large enough quantities to make a real difference without disrupting food and feed supplies.<br />
FACT: Corn is only one source of biofuel. In the future, a significant amount of ethanol will be made from more abundant biomass sources.<br />
Future ethanol will also be produced from cellulose found in crop residues (stalks, hulls), forestry residues (forest thinning, wood byproducts), energy crops (switchgrass), and sorted municipal wastes. Some promising energy crops grow on marginal soils not suited for traditional agriculture. The ethanol production process produces not only fuel but valuable livestock feed products (distiller&#8217;s grain with solubles or DGS).<br />
A joint study by the U.S. Departments of Energy and Agriculture found that we can grow adequate biomass feedstocks to displace approximately 30% of curent gasoline consumption on a sustainable basis. This<br />
Billion Ton Study determined that 1.3 billion tons of U.S. biomass feedstock are potentially available for the production of biofuels. </p>
<p>MYTH: More energy goes into producing ethanol than it delivers as a fuel.<br />
FACT: Each gallon of corn ethanol today delivers one third or more energy than is used to produce it. Over the last two decades, the amount of energy needed<br />
to produce corn ethanol has decreased because of improved farming techniques, more efficient use of fertilizers and pesticides, higher-yielding crops, and advances in conversion technology. Today, ethanol has a positive energy balance. That is, the energy content of corn ethanol is greater than the energy used to produce it. In the future, most ethanol will come from cellulosic ethanol, which delivers four to six times more energy than is needed in its production. </p>
<p>MYTH: When it comes to environmental emissions, ethanol is the same as gasoline or worse.<br />
FACT: Ethanol results in fewer greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions than gasoline and is fully biodegradable, unlike some additives. On a life cycle basis, cellulosic ethanol has the potential to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 86%. Ethanol readily biodegrades without harm to the environment, and is a safe, high-performance replacement for toxic fuel additives such as MTB<br />
possible carcinogen. The use of ethanol can increase tailpipe emissions of some air pollutants but others are significantly reduced. </p>
<p>Future biofuels will be made from a wide range of hardy and fast-growing plants, such as switchgrass&#8211;which is a perennial native to all American prairies. Switchgrass requires just a quarter of the irrigation and fertilization devoted to other crops and offers an estimated net energy values of up to<br />
of 343%. </p>
<p>Biofuel production was never intended as a long-term replacement for hydrocarbon-based fuels, but rather as a stop-gap measure to buy time while we can drive up the efficiencies of other non-polluting energy options; solar, wind, wave/current, geothermal, etc. Biofuels, even in the short-term, will create American jobs while reducing American dependence of fossil fuels and saving American lives.</p>
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		<title>By: I&#8217;m A Pundit Too &#124; Carnival of Political Punditry - March 9, 2008</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/hoist-by-the-green-petard/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m A Pundit Too &#124; Carnival of Political Punditry - March 9, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hill</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/hoist-by-the-green-petard/#comment-724</link>
		<dc:creator>hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way, excellent post NYD...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, excellent post NYD&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diverting foods for ethanol; the least thought out boondoggle yet....It&#039;s only good for drinking and powering racing vehicles....Impractical for anything else....except....for feeling good because it shows we care....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diverting foods for ethanol; the least thought out boondoggle yet&#8230;.It&#8217;s only good for drinking and powering racing vehicles&#8230;.Impractical for anything else&#8230;.except&#8230;.for feeling good because it shows we care&#8230;.</p>
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