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		<title>By: Coonclomi</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/first-teach-them-to-think/#comment-3092</link>
		<dc:creator>Coonclomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is bumburbia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is bumburbia?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rosenbaum</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/first-teach-them-to-think/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rosenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At best government isn&#039;t any cleaner the business,  while you bring up Enron, you might also want to mention Abscam, BCCI, The congressional post office, house banking scandal, Billy Sol Estes, Robert Torecelli,Teapot Dome, Tamminy Hall and it goes on and on.

I think teachers should be evaluated by schools so long as you have tough standards for schools and hold the principles and administrators responsible.  Schools should be evaluated by their customers - kids, parents and taxpayers.  If the school can&#039;t meet the standards, the customer should be free to take their money elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At best government isn&#8217;t any cleaner the business,  while you bring up Enron, you might also want to mention Abscam, BCCI, The congressional post office, house banking scandal, Billy Sol Estes, Robert Torecelli,Teapot Dome, Tamminy Hall and it goes on and on.</p>
<p>I think teachers should be evaluated by schools so long as you have tough standards for schools and hold the principles and administrators responsible.  Schools should be evaluated by their customers &#8211; kids, parents and taxpayers.  If the school can&#8217;t meet the standards, the customer should be free to take their money elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Guy</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/first-teach-them-to-think/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Businesses would never even try to fool people by doing their own audit.&quot;

Ever hear of Enron?  

No one, not even me, is advocating that schools should evaluate themselves.  Just make sure that the standards are setup by people that know how to educate kids and know how to evaluate whether or not they are learning what they need to learn.  How hard is that?  Teachers and administrators are professionals too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Businesses would never even try to fool people by doing their own audit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ever hear of Enron?  </p>
<p>No one, not even me, is advocating that schools should evaluate themselves.  Just make sure that the standards are setup by people that know how to educate kids and know how to evaluate whether or not they are learning what they need to learn.  How hard is that?  Teachers and administrators are professionals too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. C</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/first-teach-them-to-think/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too bad that schools can&#039;t hire professional &quot;auditors&quot; just like businesses.  Businesses would never even try to fool people by doing their own audit.  OBVIOUSLY, though, we all know audits aren&#039;t perfect, but they would be more objective than Mrs. Apples evaluating her own teaching on a merit pay system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too bad that schools can&#8217;t hire professional &#8220;auditors&#8221; just like businesses.  Businesses would never even try to fool people by doing their own audit.  OBVIOUSLY, though, we all know audits aren&#8217;t perfect, but they would be more objective than Mrs. Apples evaluating her own teaching on a merit pay system.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Guy</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/first-teach-them-to-think/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where there&#039;s a problem is when politicans and other people that think they know better than the actual professionals that do the actual work educating kids substitute their own aribrary, uninformed evaluation standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where there&#8217;s a problem is when politicans and other people that think they know better than the actual professionals that do the actual work educating kids substitute their own aribrary, uninformed evaluation standards.</p>
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		<title>By: NotYourDaddy</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/first-teach-them-to-think/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>NotYourDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re &quot;Ask any educator how they evaluate their own performing and there&#039;s you standard&quot; -- there&#039;s a fundamental problem with letting people evaluate their own performance. If you let students do that, they&#039;d all get straight A&#039;s, eeven if that was the only letter of the alphabet they knew...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;Ask any educator how they evaluate their own performing and there&#8217;s you standard&#8221; &#8212; there&#8217;s a fundamental problem with letting people evaluate their own performance. If you let students do that, they&#8217;d all get straight A&#8217;s, eeven if that was the only letter of the alphabet they knew&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Guy</title>
		<link>http://notyourdaddy.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/first-teach-them-to-think/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t object to standardized tests.  They are not the end-all-be-all though.  High stakes testing was a fraud in TX, they specifically didn&#039;t include poorly performing students in the end-of-the-year testing that was done in order to inflate the &quot;progress&quot; that they were getting from their one-size fits all system.  NCLB is a fraud for that reason and many others.  

&quot;What criteria would you use to determine the schools’ performance?&quot;

Ask any educator how they evalute their own performing and there&#039;s your standard.  Or, as GWB would say, &quot;Is our childrens learning?&quot;   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t object to standardized tests.  They are not the end-all-be-all though.  High stakes testing was a fraud in TX, they specifically didn&#8217;t include poorly performing students in the end-of-the-year testing that was done in order to inflate the &#8220;progress&#8221; that they were getting from their one-size fits all system.  NCLB is a fraud for that reason and many others.  </p>
<p>&#8220;What criteria would you use to determine the schools’ performance?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ask any educator how they evalute their own performing and there&#8217;s your standard.  Or, as GWB would say, &#8220;Is our childrens learning?&#8221;   :)</p>
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		<title>By: NotYourDaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotYourDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mister Guy, I&#039;m glad you enjoy my blog so much. Welcome to right side! ;)

Re your comment that it&#039;s a myth that any child can attend private school, under the system I proposed, middle schools would be required to accept any student within their district. It would only be when the students reach high school that they could be turned down by a school. Kids that didn&#039;t qualify for the high school of their choice would have plenty of options, including vocational school. With the exception of special education students, if a teenager is not academically motivated enough to ensure that he qualifies to get into high school, then he has no business being there. High school is not day care.

I largely agree with you about what needs to be done to improve schoools. In fact, private schools are already doing all of the things you mention. So let&#039;s give all our kids a chance to go to private schools. 

I have one question. You mention that we should hold school administrators and city/town leaders responsible for the performance of schools, but you object to standardized tests. What criteria would you use to determine the schools&#039; performance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mister Guy, I&#8217;m glad you enjoy my blog so much. Welcome to right side! ;)</p>
<p>Re your comment that it&#8217;s a myth that any child can attend private school, under the system I proposed, middle schools would be required to accept any student within their district. It would only be when the students reach high school that they could be turned down by a school. Kids that didn&#8217;t qualify for the high school of their choice would have plenty of options, including vocational school. With the exception of special education students, if a teenager is not academically motivated enough to ensure that he qualifies to get into high school, then he has no business being there. High school is not day care.</p>
<p>I largely agree with you about what needs to be done to improve schoools. In fact, private schools are already doing all of the things you mention. So let&#8217;s give all our kids a chance to go to private schools. </p>
<p>I have one question. You mention that we should hold school administrators and city/town leaders responsible for the performance of schools, but you object to standardized tests. What criteria would you use to determine the schools&#8217; performance?</p>
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		<title>By: NotYourDaddy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs. C, thank you for your insightful comment. In my proposal, elementary schools would still be public, and middle schools would be required to accept any students within their district. I have not advocated kicking anybody out. I didn&#039;t mention special education in the post, but I believe special education should be continued, both in elementary and middle school. With privately run middle schools, there could be entire schools dedicated to special education that would do a better job than the public schools do, because they&#039;d have more expertise in teaching children with developmental disadvantages. I don&#039;t see this as something that can only be handled by public schools. Home schooling is a great option, and it sounds like you&#039;ve done an excellent job with your younger child. Unfortunately, not everybody is equipped or has the time/resoureces for home schooling. A voucher system might be designed to provide resources for home schooling as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. C, thank you for your insightful comment. In my proposal, elementary schools would still be public, and middle schools would be required to accept any students within their district. I have not advocated kicking anybody out. I didn&#8217;t mention special education in the post, but I believe special education should be continued, both in elementary and middle school. With privately run middle schools, there could be entire schools dedicated to special education that would do a better job than the public schools do, because they&#8217;d have more expertise in teaching children with developmental disadvantages. I don&#8217;t see this as something that can only be handled by public schools. Home schooling is a great option, and it sounds like you&#8217;ve done an excellent job with your younger child. Unfortunately, not everybody is equipped or has the time/resoureces for home schooling. A voucher system might be designed to provide resources for home schooling as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a myth that every child in America can go to a private school.  Private schools routinely deny access to kids that are poor, not especially smart, or disabled.  Public schools can&#039;t, by law, do this.  Comparisions between them therefore aren&#039;t fair.  The main difference that I saw as a student between public and private schools was the level of expectation in a student&#039;s performance (high in private...not so much in public) and behavior (no fighting or insubordination in private and not so much in public).  Public (and private) schools have been tracking kids above grade 6 for years based on the criteria that you describe.  &quot;Gifted&quot; kids routinely are challenged harder than less-gifted kids.

You can&#039;t have nationalized tests and non-standardized cirriculum.  High stakes testing has been a proven failure in states like TX where we originally got them from in NCLB.  What will the teens that don&#039;t go to high school do with themselves??  There is no reason for businesses in this country to make even *more* money off our kids.

Abolish all school boards...they provide nothing to enhance the performance of schools.  Hold school administrators and city/town leaders responsible for the performance of school districts.  Consoldate school districts in rural areas to cut administrative costs.  Provide well-trained, well-motivated, well-compensated teachers the resources that they need (clean, modern, well-stocked schools with reasonable class sizes) to teach children, and then get out of the way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a myth that every child in America can go to a private school.  Private schools routinely deny access to kids that are poor, not especially smart, or disabled.  Public schools can&#8217;t, by law, do this.  Comparisions between them therefore aren&#8217;t fair.  The main difference that I saw as a student between public and private schools was the level of expectation in a student&#8217;s performance (high in private&#8230;not so much in public) and behavior (no fighting or insubordination in private and not so much in public).  Public (and private) schools have been tracking kids above grade 6 for years based on the criteria that you describe.  &#8220;Gifted&#8221; kids routinely are challenged harder than less-gifted kids.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t have nationalized tests and non-standardized cirriculum.  High stakes testing has been a proven failure in states like TX where we originally got them from in NCLB.  What will the teens that don&#8217;t go to high school do with themselves??  There is no reason for businesses in this country to make even *more* money off our kids.</p>
<p>Abolish all school boards&#8230;they provide nothing to enhance the performance of schools.  Hold school administrators and city/town leaders responsible for the performance of school districts.  Consoldate school districts in rural areas to cut administrative costs.  Provide well-trained, well-motivated, well-compensated teachers the resources that they need (clean, modern, well-stocked schools with reasonable class sizes) to teach children, and then get out of the way&#8230;</p>
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